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  Are Jehovah’s Winesses “Fundamentalists” and “Fanatics”?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently ive posted on fb a meme where a two pairs of hands held open a bible and the quram side by side.

  then i wrote on it:.

  (faith + fundamentalism) x (hate + propaganda) = legitimation of intolerance and violence.

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  problemaddict 2

  Glad you decided to stick around.

  JW's live in the bubble. Every problem they see is somehow directly related to those people not associating with Gods sprit directed organization. This teaching in and of itself considering its history is fanatical enough. JW's will point to the fact they do not encourage violence or join military service as setting them apart. But sweeping prohibitions on blood in its various reincarnations have to date killed more people than ISIS has. That is certain even with an exact number in dispute.

  But JW's fail to see the irony in denouncing other peoples extremism. It several incarnations.

  "We love you so much that it hurts us to have to cut you off. You just can't imagine how painful it is."

  "Shameful that the Catholic church would protect abusers in their ranks"

  "We value God given life and remain obedient, which is why we would die if a blood transfusion was needed."

  Its all in the same vein as far as I'm concerned.
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  Mass Mormon Resignation

  by problemaddict 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/16/456224955/more-than-1-000-mormons-resign-from-the-lds-church-in-protest.

  if you consider what triggered this, the policy itself is benign compared to jw doctrine.

  while mormons practice shunning, it isn't nearly as absolute as it is with jw.s.

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  http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/16/456224955/more-than-1-000-mormons-resign-from-the-lds-church-in-protest

  If you consider what triggered this, the policy itself is benign compared to JW doctrine. I wonder if anything like this is actually possible? While Mormons practice shunning, it isn't nearly as absolute as it is with JW.s

  Thoughts?
  
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  What would happen ??

  by Clambake in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there is a certain elder in my wives hall that has seemed to developed a real interest her.

  first he seemed to feel a need to make sure all her blood cards were signed before she gave birth to our child.. he sends her text messages if she misses a meeting saying how much " we missed you last night ".

  he finally sent her a text wondering where her oct hours were , knowing she had some pretty serious tears from child birth and could hardly even walk, much less do field service ".

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  Calmbake,

  If you want to get a pound of flesh, make it a big deal.

  I personally would do the following, in the most kind and gentle manner possible.

  Call him and get him on the line. Tie in another elder from the hall as a witness. Then explain very kindly that his private texts to his wife are not welcome. You know he doesn't mean anything bad etc... but that you would like them to stop. It will embarrass him, you don't come off as a lunatic, and you can even bring up that section of the elders manual already shared. Be super kind. it will stop, and put him on notice that you are no dummy.
  
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  2 John 10

  by What Now? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just looking for some rebuttals to 2 john 10, specifically when it comes to shunning family.

  we essentially admitted to our families that we do not want to raise our kids as witnesses and do not believe what jehovah's witnesses teach.

  predictably, they use 2 john 10 to justify shunning us, specifically the portion of the verse where it says "if anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him".. since we are apostates (according to the jw definition), and no longer "bring this teaching", would our family be correct in interpreting this verse to mean that they should shun us?.

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  All human communities practice shunning in some form. Society imprisons criminals for example. If a group is very specific, such as an "Iphone rules" meetup group, and one guy starts showing up talking about how great Samsung is and how everyone should switch.....he may not be welcome in the group.

  But a structured communal shunning program based on private meetings and proceedures hidden from view, presided over by three or more men, and meant to extend to everyone that associates with that group worldwide......is not even close to the type of "shunning" done by early Christians even as a best guess.

  the idea that someone thinking and feeling different than you, is not add odds whith normal Christianity. The individual groups make a decision on who to not support based on the persons behavior. It is not a decision handed down to them, that they must then in turn obey under threat of being ostracized themselves. there is no support for such a thing, even in vague principle.
  
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  Firpo Carr's Homepage

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone notice this before?.

  http://www.stirinc.org/.

  for those who don't know - who is firpo carr?.

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  Carr was interesting at one point, but I think he hit his expiration date. He wrote a book called the Divine name controversy if I'm not mistaken. Some of which has since been debunked.

  He also attempted a stab at defense of the blood doctrine. It wasn't very convincing.
  
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  I gave the elders some ammo to use

  by atacrossroads in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was having dinner at olive garden with my cousin who was disfellowshipped for apostacy.

  a holier than thou pioneer couple saw us.

  if that was not enough i saw her take a picture of me with my cousin.

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  I think you have been given good advise. Brothers want to talk to you? Well don't they have your number? Why are they calling you?

  Don't run from it. Just play dumb.

  We want to meet with you. Why? No thank you. If they insist, ask if this is a committee issue and what the charge is. If it then comes out that you were having dinner with a disfellowshipped relative, you should ask directly who reported it. Once again, this takes place before you say it did or did not happen. this is important, because it gets them to admit and name a person spying on you during lunch, and reveals the fact that they did not follow Matthew 18.

  Ask them directly, if they told this person to come to you directly in the spirit of Matthew 18.

  At that point you can say, well guys, it was a business lunch and nothing spiritual was discussed, so you can lower the flag and relax. I won't be discussing it, but rest assured I was not in deriliction of the direction. You brothers however could have avoided this by having this person reach out to me directly like the scriptures clearly lay out. Why would you not do that?

  then thats it.
  
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  Missing Friends.

  by Resi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's been a long time since i posted.

  for a brief recap, i have an aunt who is one of jehovah's witnesses.

  when i was really sick, i sought out their group because i remembered the support my aunt had and how they were like a second family to her.

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  I feel your pain. It can be difficult to lose friends. But then again, was this person really your friend? Does a real friend have these sort of tight restrictions and conditions on their love.

  I recently got "broken up with" via e mail by a friend I have had for 18 years. This guy was like family. It hurt. It was painful. But in the end, this person is not a good friend. Friendly? Fun to be around? Sure. But that is empty when people are only there for you based on a very slim criteria, and your association with a particular group.

  Move on. It will hurt for a bit, but look for real friendships.
  
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  Is Prince still a Jehovah Witness?

  by Greybeard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is prince still a jehovah witness?

  from the look of his new album, i think he has different ideas.

  it will be interesting to see how they deal with this.

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  WC, can you point me to where he publicly stated he was no longer a JW? That conflict with what I thought I knew. Not saying you aren't being genuine, just looking for the smoking gun.

  If so, good for him.
  
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  Is Prince still a Jehovah Witness?

  by Greybeard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is prince still a jehovah witness?

  from the look of his new album, i think he has different ideas.

  it will be interesting to see how they deal with this.

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  Nah he is still around. Pops up in LA. More importantly.......his album is really really good. :)
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  What happened to shunning ?

  by cookiemaster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  okay, so...i haven't been to the kingdumb hall since last spring but i like to believe i'm up to date with the jw ways.

  as most of you have heard many times already, my mother was disfellowshipped (actually they said he disassociated), for accepting blood transfusions in a life or death situation.

  right after coming from the hospital the elder said she da'd.

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  There is a push to reach out to inactive people. people justify not shunning naymore if a bunch of time has passed.

  Nothing but a marketing push to love bomb former members and pull at their heart strings.